• jittery_shibe@lemmings.worldEnglish
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    16 days ago

    Well at least the second hand laptop market will be flooded by the companies deciding to upgrade to newer laptops for Win11, so a small upside.

  • visnudeva@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    16 days ago

    They just try to force people to buy another PC and so many “computer ignorant” people will…poor old ladies who click on the ads…

  • RedFrank24@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    16 days ago

    Trade it in to who? Who’s buying PCs that can’t be used? I mean there’s the retro market, but AFAIK they aren’t buying anything after Windows XP.

    • conditional_soup@lemm.eeEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Bro, my win11 family gaming machine can’t even properly display the game icons or open the file explorer

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Honestly it is better than Windows 10. When it first launched it was bad but now that it has been a few years it is much better.

  • rmuk@feddit.ukEnglish
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    16 days ago

    “Trade it in or recycle it” basically means “your best bet to solve this problem is to pass it on to someone else, who will pass it on to someone else, and so on until it arrives at landfill”.

  • SanguinePar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Ugh. I’m going to have to seriously look at Linux, aren’t I?

    Absolutely no idea where to start with that, nor whether any of the software I need for work (or indeed anything else) is compatible, not how I’m going to find the time to learn all this.

    Bleugh 😔

    • Opinionhaver@feddit.ukEnglish
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      17 days ago

      The Linux community here on Lemmy is extremely helpful but as a complete novice I’ve found ChatGPT to be quite useful tool for this as well. I can ask it how to do something and if I run into trouble I can just take a picture of the terminal window and it’ll tell me where the issue is.

      People would probably advice not to insert code into terminal, given by an LLM that you don’t even understand but the alternative is to put that same blind faith onto a stranger on a messaging board. In my experience the options are either to do that or not use Linux at all - unless you first spend few years learning it all yourself.

    • Pofski@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Installed mint on an older computer I had so my oldest daughter could have a pc for school. She has had zero problems using it.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Is your hardware not W11 compatible or you just don’t want to upgrade? Because you can just install the pro version (ISO on Microsoft’s website) and choose English UK during installation and that will solve most issues… I’m sure you’re able to figure out how to get it activated ;)

    • tias@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Ubuntu is the typical go-to replacement for Windows as it’s arguably more plug-and-play than other distros.

      alternativeto.net is a great place to find Linux alternatives to the software you use. Many products already work on Linux without switching, but some areas might be more difficult. For example depending on your needs you might not find a great drop-in replacement for Photoshop.

      • SanguinePar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        17 days ago

        Ah, thanks, that looks a useful site.

        Sadly, this is my work as well as personal PC, and Photoshop and Premiere are more or less essential for me. I know there’s Photopea, which can handle PSD files, so that would probably do to replace PS, but not sure about Prem.

        Happy to try something else, but it’s finding the time to learn everything again that’s my real issue.

        Still though, that’s a great resource, so thanks 👍

        • tias@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          17 days ago

          I mean Adobe is a piece of shit company and if there’s any way you can ditch them, do it. If you can’t, I get it. In that case a Mac is probably the easier way out.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        17 days ago

        you might not find a great drop-in replacement for Photoshop.

        I’m not a photoshop user, so maybe I’m just being dumb and not getting it, but…isn’t that gimp? I remember that one because the program name “gimp” made me laugh first time I heard it. It’s like a BDSM thing, and then you’re like “Oh, it’s photoshop? My mind went a totally different direction…”

          • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            17 days ago

            This describes many Linux software suites…

            Most of the people devoting time to foss projects are uber technical geeks that at best consider UX design an after thought if they consider it at all.

            TBH it’s probably one of the biggest things holding Linux back today.

        • andros_rex@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          17 days ago

          The name is so stupid, and it is straight up a reference to the character in Pulp Fiction.

          Pulp Fiction came out in 1994, GIMP in 1998. “Gimps” as we understand them came entirely from the scene in the movie - like yeah, full bondage suits have always existed but the term “gimp” and that style were invented for the movie (and then became a real thing later).

        • tias@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          17 days ago

          Yes, there are certainly alternatives and there are several with a better UI than GIMP (see Krita and Pixel). But I’ve been told there are specific tools and workflows that are missing. Partly it’s probably a matter of finding new ways of accomplishing your goal.

    • AnAustralianPhotographer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      17 days ago

      If nowhere else, make a post on NoStupidQuestions and I’m sure there’s a few people that will help. I made a reply here suggesting raspberry pi os as a good starting point. No command line skills needed and quite a bit of software is available free from Debian (Linux which raspi os is created from).

      The user interface is similar with a start menu etc.

      If you’ve got a spare PC, I’d use it as a guinea pig system first before moving onto the main system.

      • SanguinePar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        17 days ago

        Thanks, good advice. Will do a bit of research myself first I think.

        Sadly no spare PC to try it on at the moment. I do have a laptop running Plex, but don’t really want to mess with that right now.

        Maybe I can buy a cheap one to have a play around with first.

        Cheers, much appreciated 👍

        • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
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          17 days ago

          Oof 32-bit support is becoming less and less on all OSes these days. Debian still has 32 bit releases at least

    • 0x0@programming.devEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Linux Mint is one of the most recommended for newbies.
      You can use a live CD/USB to try it out without installing.

      • nevermind@lemm.eeEnglish
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        17 days ago

        By newbie do you mean people who don’t know anything about computers ie me?

        • StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          17 days ago

          idk if this is going to help or not, but I’ve had Mint on every machine since 2010. If this laptop I’m using were a car, I’d say I’ve learned to change a tire and I’ve learned where to go for answers to problems as they come up, but that’s it. I remember being worried I’d bork everything the first install, but instructions are absolutely For Dummies (thank fuck). Easier than putting an Ikea desk together imo.

          Tried changing distros a few times to see what the fuss was, but I actually just don’t care, and that’s ok. You don’t have to care about everything. I also buy the same jeans all the time and no one gaf about that.

          Though if you DO enjoy shopping around (or find you’re intrigued by the possibilities and want to play) here’s one place to get a lay of the land that’s been a cool, helpful hub over the years that even I find accessible, and that’s saying something.

          Anecdotal: I’ve never been locked out of anything to do with work that I couldn’t find an easy work-around for (the MS threat). It’s nbd.

        • 0x0@programming.devEnglish
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          17 days ago

          I’d mean people who don’t know linux in particular but are marginally tech-savy.
          Mint has been described as “the distro your granny can use” (and some do), but it does require some knowledge to at least install it — but it’s nothing a tutorial somewhere won’t help with, it’s a low bar.

        • maniclucky@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          17 days ago

          Yes. It’s probably the friendliest Linux distro. But there’s still a learning curve so don’t go in thinking it’s as plug and play as Windows.

          Source: Tech savvy guy that changed over recently

          • Peter G@mstdn.plus
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            17 days ago

            @maniclucky @nevermind
            Linux Mint is indeed the friendliest of the Linux distros but one still needs at least a bit of experience with installing OS. The fundamental problem with Windows is that it comes pre installed on everything and most people had never needed to install an OS.

            @nevermind, you need to find a friend who’s done it or someone online willing to walk you though it. It’s not very difficult but if you’ve never done it it could be a bit weird.

            • dingus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              17 days ago

              Plug and play essentially means “it just works”. Like as simple as plugging in a USB mouse and using it. When something isn’t plug and play, it means it takes a bit of fiddling with.

              • nevermind@lemm.eeEnglish
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                17 days ago

                Ah yes, thank you. A tiny part of my brain wondered if that was the meaning but it’s never safe to assume something when I’m as clueless as I am.

                • 0x0@programming.devEnglish
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                  17 days ago

                  Actually I think that term was coined by Windows 98 for hardware you could connect and it would Just work™ (I.e. without the need to install drivers).

    • swelter_spark@reddthat.comEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Most distros have official forums, and may have sections specifically for people using Linux for the first time, which can also be great sources of information.

  • zephorah@lemm.eeEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Infuriating for sure. People can’t afford groceries or rent and Microsoft chooses to ride in with a, by the way, your computer needs to go, just buy a new one, k?

  • Yoga@lemmy.caEnglish
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    17 days ago

    I mean, what do you expect them to say?

    “Time to install Linux, here’s how you chose a kernel:”

      • Yoga@lemmy.caEnglish
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        17 days ago

        If I was responsible I’d learn about that stuff now but that sounds like an October 13 problem tbh

          • Yoga@lemmy.caEnglish
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            17 days ago

            You’re right, I was just reluctant because my PC is really old and I was worried adding more stuff would just make it even more sluggish.

            I asked my favorite AI and it told me not only was that wrong, but the opposite is probably true lol

          • CileTheSane@lemmy.caEnglish
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            17 days ago

            I got a dual boot going so I could try Linux and have a windows fallback. Mint went so smoothly for me I never used my windows boot.

            • rt136us@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              17 days ago

              Same. I took the plunge a few weeks ago and have been super happy. Got my wife switched over too, now just my kid is left

          • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            17 days ago

            Maybe they were referring to the Microsoft Halloween documents? Which were leaked on October 31 and was basically a manifesto against FOSS in general and specifically against Linux calling it “communist” software.

          • Yoga@lemmy.caEnglish
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            17 days ago

            Oct 14 is last day of support for security updates without paying extra.

      • Elvith Ma'for@feddit.orgEnglish
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        17 days ago

        Instructions unclear, now I’m using the Windows terminal to launch Ubuntu and also have it running in Hyper-V. How does that help me if my windows is out of support? /s

      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        17 days ago

        On the one hand, rare Microsoft w to help users transition to their competitor.

        On the other, they kinda yadda yadda over probably the biggest and most important part: choosing which of the billion distros is best for your needs and preferences…

  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built

    They’ve been saying that about every single one since that notoriously insecure one. ME, I think?

    Also, I’m pretty sure that Tiny11 or the like is more secure if you consider data privacy important, since a lot of the privacy issues of Windows 11 are coming from the unnecessary parts of Windows itself…

      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        17 days ago

        I mean, Tiny11 both is and isn’t Windows, depending on whether you count “Windows 11 with everything but the bare essentials optional” as “Windows” 🤷

    • dev_null@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      17 days ago

      I mean, one would hope that whenever there is a new version it’s more secure than the last one. Not that it’s true, but that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.

      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        17 days ago

        that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.

        As long as you consider every claim Microsoft makes to be either a lie or inherently unprovable until the opposite is proven, that is. Which you should tbh.