• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    To all the “not true Christian” chanters: Religion is unfortunately way too broad to interpret in many ways, especially christianity, which is filled with many contradictory views. One can just selectively refer to different translations and/or different chapters on the same issue. Jesus was famous for not forgiving child abusers, but the Old Testament has a chapter about “Menstrual Marriage” (allowing adolescent child marriage).

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      The concept of God was invented because it’s an unbearable thought to think that men like these will get away scot free with what they’re doing

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        The concept of God was invented by men like these to enable exactly what they’re doing :)

        It’s the ultimate authoritarian power fantasy, and the human mouthpieces for that ultimate authority tend to be very well taken care of.

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      Not a single Christian among them.

      You don’t get to decide this, regardless of how embarrassed you may be.

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        Oh they may call themselves Christians, but none of them uphold the ideals or beliefs of Christians. They are hypocrites. The same day they do this they take away healthcare from millions, take food out of children’s hands, and ramp up more violence to those already hurting.

        I don’t care what their label is they put on the outside, none of these are Christian. They openly spit on the morals that Jesus laid down.

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          The Bible tells you that you get to decide who is a Christian or not?

          I’m afraid not, sir/madam. In fact, I believe it says precisely the opposite.

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            Since you’re not discussing in good faith,I won’t bother responding again. You know what I meant but anyway, they’re idol worshippers and infidels.

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              Since you’re not discussing in good faith

              OK, what? Holy shit what a cop out…

              I know exactly what you meant, and I’m tired of seeing this “no true Christian” shit everywhere. You don’t get to disown these people.

              Edit: Who are the 5 additional people that upvote a Christian comment calling other Christians “infidels.” What fucking site am I on?

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              If your behaviour is any indication then being a Christian means talking down to people and refusing to discuss or consider ideas other than your own.

              Sounds about right.

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                Jesus didn’t stutter when he talked about strangers, the poor,those in need, the sick, and the wealthy. I suggest you read the bible critically. Any member of congress who backs Trump and claims to be Christian will burn in their version of hell fire. Much like the so called muslims leading the Gulf countries.

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        Jesus actually said something about that, it turns out. Not that it matters to these knuckleheads.

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        It’s funny how fast Murica has fallen into authoritarianism, I’m genuinely having a hard time believing that such a large portion of the population can be so stupid.

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          It’s been the calculated plan for far longer than I can remember.

          Conservative politics relies on stupid uneducated voters incapable of critical thinking.

          The voters that, with a lack of actual knowledge of their own through either experience, formal education or even just good old fashioned intellectual curiosity about the world around them, will happily cede their opinion to the first authority figure who tells them what they are already presdisposed to believe and confirm their biases.

          It’s the entire reason there has been a coordinated attack on the liberal arts and college education under the guise of “financial constraints” and the push in the last few decades towards trade schools.

          Conservative politics requires stupid who are content to learn how to be a tradesman, without any of that inconventient history or critical thinking getting in the way.

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            I get that’s been the game plan, and to be honest it’s worked perfectly, but poor people actually gloating about “owning the libs” while shooting themselves in the foot, the face and all else beggars belief!

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              The truest line ever uttered in film…

              “A person can be smart. But people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals, and you know it.” – Kay from MiB

              We’ve all been hardwired with groupthink. We had to be. When a member of your tribe comes running by in a panic, you don’t have time to stop and think what the hell is he running from?, you just start running along with him. It’s the difference between living to hunt another day or getting killed by a bigger predator than you are.

              The more people that are running. The more important it is (to our brain) to just start legging it. No one wants to be the straggler at the back that gets picked off. For that reason, group-think and herd-mentality skews incredibly towards the simplistic. In terms of evolution, there’s no time to worry about the why…you just trust that if everyone else is running, you probably should be too. In terms of modern day that is the susceptibility of uneducated people to dogma, polemics and confirmation bias.

              A single person…and individual that has critical thinking skills and the ability to look at the wider context, can overcome that instint. They can stop and say “hmmm…maybe I should look and see if this really is something that is going to harm me.” They can reason themselves out of group-think.

              But without that context. Without that critical thinking, you have almost no choice but to rely on the fact that if someone is telling you to run, they must know more than you…so get it in gear.

              Whether that person is telling you to run from a predator, or to hate immigrants, it’s all due to the same inherent mentality in humans.

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                Spot on regarding the person vs group. Being a fan of history I’m amazed at how far we’ve come technologically, but how our base instincts haven’t changed. Even in the face of all the evidence about our behaviour historically, we repeat our mistakes time and again.

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                  It’s the good-ol’ lizard brain and it isn’t going away.

                  It’s the part of the brain that controls emotions, moods, fear, fight-or-flight, etc… The Limbic Cortex

                  The sole purpose of critical thinking skills and knowledge of things like history, civics, etc… (whether that comes from education, experience or just good old fashioned intellectual curiosity) is to give the rest of our brain the context necessary to override that lizard brain. (In my opinion).

                  Too many people just don’t care enough about the world around them to bother with that and are content to just let their lizard brain run things. It’s these people that are susceptible to group-think, and it’s these people (ironically) who think that they are ones who are thinking for themselves when in reality it’s quite the opposite.

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    If these people have their way, the USA will become a religious autocracy that respects human rights on a level comparable to that in Iran.

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    They shouldn’t cluster so closely together, it’s a risk. Not that I’m suggesting anything.

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      I think it’s because these are people with the power to do more than thoughts and prayers. But they just stick with that while also taking health care off veterans and giving tax breaks to the rich.

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      Separation of church and state is supposed to be a thing. Lawmakers praying inside the chamber isn’t separate at all.

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        That’s not what that means. Separation of church and state simply means that the law doesn’t favor one religion over another. What you’re thinking of is the French formulation, known as laicite, which—you guessed it—is a French thing. It’s also based on some pretty problematic ideas that lead and have led to some pretty problematic results, so yeah.

        For a non-French example, he’s the Australian constitution on the topic:

        The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

        Nothing at all about lawmakers publicly adhering to a religion.

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        They are jackass.

        But this is as educated as screaming first amendment when a mod removes a post. Wow.

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        If André Carson, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Lateefah Simon all prayed together in the House at one of the 5 daily prayers, during a vote, would the USA shrug?

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      They’re praying to pass a bill that kicks 15 million off health care and starves children so a handful of billionaires pay less tax.
      That’s what Jesus would do.

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      How would most people react if that was a group of Muslims? Or if the Satanic Church tried to do a small prayer there?

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        I wouldn’t care. If they’re religious they’ll be following the morals and views of their religion. A little praying won’t change or harm anyone. No different to another group having a chat

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            We now know you will just shoot down any alternative opinion and pretend it is trolling. Thanks for confirming.

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          The reactions to the Satanic Temple using pro-religion laws, and social media posts about public displays of established religions like Muslim prayers, show that most Americans do not approve displays of any religion except their own. With that in mind, the reasonable compromise is that there shouldn’t be religious displays inside of state institutions.

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            So instead of allowing members to pray in the legislature, you want them to go outside? That’s not inclusive of religions either. Not to mention they can call for a vote soon as all those whom are required by their religion to pray were mandated to leave to pray. I’m an atheist, but we need to let religion die on its own. Forcing it out will cause more problems than solutions. 30 years from now it will likely be rare to see it happen. But I’ll still stand by it being their right to practice on their own

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    I wonder if there is anyone in the group that is actually praying or they are all just pretending for the others

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      They are absolutely praying… Lots of embarrassed Christians in this thread desperate to distance themselves from their own religion.

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      Even if any of them believe they are praying, their “faith” is a sham in support of their real religion: power. To Republicans, “politics” is the religion founded on increasing personal power through performative speech and conduct.

      They are hollow, nihilistic simulacrums of human-like virtue, expressing themselves only to drain the actual human value and agency from the public.

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    Praying is just talking to your imaginary friend, and having it tell back to you what you want to hear.

    These elected representatives are no more mentally developed than elementary school children. Must be from a state full of lead pipes.

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      Do you win or lose if you get to eat the biscuit, or is it just a matter of perspective?

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    I think the guy all the way on the right was just caught squeezing the ass of one of his Republican colleagues as they passed a law that will kick millions off of Medicaid and close down hospitals so that they can fund brown shirts to the tune of what other countries pay for whole militaries.

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    Or they’re playing Soggy Biscuit. Either way, it’s about as effective as a form of government.